Obnoxious old fart
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Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Without going full on tinfoil hat, do you honestly think it is beyond government bodies to low-key try to effect elections and candidates? I don't put it past them at all. Not for a second.Sure, I'll bite.
You're overgeneralizing when you're stating that nations exert influence over other nations. Of course they do! But actively meddling in the election by spreading propaganda is not the same as Barack Obama praising a foreign leader. That Macron link also says nothing U.S. organizations donating to him. Russian organizations unambiguously meddled in the U.S election. This is not an "all the time" thing. I looked up foreign electoral intervention, and found significant information on the Italian general election in 1948, and the U.S. interfering in Chile in the 1970's. There wasn't too much else.
That's besides the point - why does the newness of a problem write off the problem in your eyes?
So, in my eyes, the problem is not 'new'. It's just 'new' in the sense that people are evidently being upset about it.
While I am very much 'if the shoe fits, wear it' kind of guy, that wasn't a direct attack on you at all. Much is lost in text translation over verbal in person. Said that for years now.I'm really doing my best to fact-check everything I've typed and made sure the sources I've shared are credible, and I don't really appreciate this response. I like you, I think you're a good guy, but please don't talk down to me, especially when most of your claims are just assertions. We can do this politely.
That was more pointing at how society has become divided into segments of people who think the world works 'by the book', and those who understand that literally nothing works 'by the book'. Covert ops and psyops are a thing, so while yes, I do agree that foreign entities meddling in elections and whatnot is not good on a moral level, I don't believe for an instant that it isn't something that governments attempt to do all the time, whether it becomes public or not.
However, in this particular case (Russia and the 2016 election), I think it's being heavily overstated. I do not think (this is assuming they had any tangible effect) that the outcome of 2016 would have been any different without Russia, China, etc.