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President Trump tells 4 Congresswomen to “Go Back” to where they came

Discussion in 'Politics/Religion' started by Darren Ingram, Jul 16, 2019.

  1. Darren Ingram

    Darren Ingram Moderator Moderator

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    I’m surprised this hadn’t been posted here yet. Really interested to see how you guys here reacted to the President’s remarks.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/14/us/politics/trump-twitter-squad-congress.html



    The irony in this being, of the 4 members of Congress he is referring to, 3 were born in the United States, and the other has been a legal US citizen longer than his wife has been.
     
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  2. Darren Ingram

    Darren Ingram Moderator Moderator

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  3. Andy22

    Andy22 Still waiting for JJ to win

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    How is this man still president..
     
  4. BrendonH12

    BrendonH12 Lover of Jesus! #CarolinaStrong Moderator

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    Here we go... As usual, everything that President Trump says gets taken out of context and is viewed as racial slurs or whatever. Look, the man was not telling people of different color or ethnic backgrounds to leave America. He was telling 4 very liberal and - yes, I’ll say it - anti-American women that if they don’t like America and everything that entails, then they can pack their bags and leave. These people are nothing more than a hindrance to what this man with a true heart for this country is trying to do and I agree with him - if they can’t quit their foolishness, they need to go! But it surely isn’t anything to do with what color/race/religion/gender or whatever other standard that will be used against the president next. I also agree with everything Mr. Graham had to say of the situation as well. Not the popular opinion, I’m sure, but it’s what I know to be right.
     
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  5. starscream24

    starscream24 Captain of Unpopular Opinions.

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    No. The mans a flat out asshole. This whole presidency has been one giant shit show.
     
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    Completely glancing over the "go back to where you came from". That clearly shows he was targeting these women due to their ethnic backgrounds. Yet he still wasn't smart enough to realize 75% of the women he targeted are from the U.S.
     
  7. RacerXero84

    RacerXero84 Obnoxious old fart

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    Hate America as much as they do?
    Spout anti-semitic crap like Ilhan does?
    Routinely targets the President with insults?
    Insults the general intelligence of 62 million+ American citizens and voters?
    Constantly pushes false information by way of "socialist ideas" that aren't backed by any mathematical logic whatsoever.
    Claims Trump and Co. are Nazi's.... but want to remove the 2nd Amendment (the irony there is WAY too funny).

    -> President Trump says GTFO and go to whatever country to hail from if you don't like it here.

    -> "The Squad" plays victim.

    Yup.... seems legit. :rolleyes:

    So basically he said what I tell people who piss and moan about America, burn the flag, who have immigrated (in Omar's case, in a questionable manner) here, all the time.

    Yeah.... I'm good with that.

    Personally, I don't even think they warrant a response from him. Especially AOC, who is by far the GOP's MVP. Every time she does something, conservatives get a wonderful soundbyte or clip to showcase how absolutely bonkers, vapid, and completely devoid of any real understanding she and her fellow "socialists" are. I love it. She needs to keep that up lol

    But hey, President Trump said mean things. So obviously that will dominate headlines without any real context, and some people will eat it up without a second thought.

    Because he has done nothing impeachable, or else they would have crucified him with that the moment they knew they could (and we ALL know this, because they have been chomping at that bit since 2016 results came in). So just sit back and wait for another 5 years (like many of us had to with Obama, patience is a virtue), and you might have a legitimate shot and putting someone you like in office. And let's not mince words. At the rate things are going, 2020 isn't looking too great for the D Squad. That's simply objective observation of the miscues and slip ups the front runners have already had thus far, and we still have a year+ to go before elections.
     
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  8. mtblillie

    mtblillie Well-Known Member

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    I always think it is funny with political opinions like this where people will ignore any wrong doing that someone they support does but will call every single thing that the other side does. It is actually really scary, when you watch from my perspective, the way people act. You can call it human nature, or being loyal to your side, or whatever, but really it just seems like everyone is so closed minded and gullible.

    Trump wasn't right to say what he did. It doesn't matter if you support his presidency or not, he should know better and you should too. Just because you support him doesn't mean you shouldn't call him out when he needs it. As for him being an asshole, it is my experience that most politicians are assholes to some degree. You might even call it a qualification for the job. The problem with Trump isn't that he's an asshole, he is just used to getting his way and doesn't know when to hold back or when to keep his mouth shut. Having to answer to public opinion is a foreign concept to him. On the other hand, the majority of public opinion is based on political and/or media bias rather than the truth, and yet we place so much faith in public opinion regardless of whether or not it is actually wrong or right.

    As for the four women, they shouldn't have been treated that way, but that doesn't mean I agree with what they are doing. The biggest problem with American politics is the complete bipartisanship that engulfs it. George Washington made a speech when he stepped down as President that warned Americans against being so devoted to your party that you forget that you are American first. I think he would very disappointed with the way things are now. Democrats and Republicans both act like their way is the only way, and instead of working to better the country in general, they fight each other to have their way dominate. Instead of people debating how to handle a situation the best way, they use issues that will never fully be resolved as a rallying cry to go to war. Nothing is ever accomplished and what's worse, people are learning to hate each other rather than working to find a good solution for both.
     
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  9. Darren Ingram

    Darren Ingram Moderator Moderator

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    I would almost love to be Trump. His supporters will make any excuse they can for anything he says. Wish I had that luxury in life.
    So liberal=anti American? Please show me proof where they don’t like America? Do you think anyone who has ever criticized the country should have to leave?
    You agree with calling someone a communist because you don’t agree with them? That’s... that’s not right lmfao.
    Like I said, I’d love to see some proof they hate America.
    Criticism of Israel does not equal anti-semitesm.
    Every president goes through that. Besides, Obama went through eight years of being called an America hating, nigger Muslim who should go back to Kenya. At least when Trump is insulted, it’s based on facts about his character and behavior.
    “I don’t agree with it so it’s false”
    Lol.... if the shoes fits....and, again, the whole “Democrats wanna take all your guns” take is lazy and false.
    So, in the case of three of the four... the United States.
    Obstruction of justice is an impeachable offense. The problem is impeaching is useless because the GOP Senators have no spine and will choose party over country, with rare cases like Justin Amash.
    100% disagree there. All of our frontrunners handedly beat him in polling (and don’t give me the whole “polls are pointless, they were wrong in2016 thing”, most of the polls were correct nationwide and within the margin of error). Hell, 2 of our front runners beat him by double digits in some polls, and Trump’s own internal polls show that. Dems are in a great spot. Didn’t think we had a shot at taking the Senate in 2020, but we might have a chance. Polling way ahead in NC, Susan Collins favorables are as low as they’ve ever been, Arizona is trending blue, Colorado could easily go blue, even Kansas went blue in 2018, and if the GOP is dumb enough to run that pedophile Roy Moore again in Alabama, we can take that race again too.
     
  10. RacerXero84

    RacerXero84 Obnoxious old fart

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    I could go into a page+ rant dissecting that as much as you dissected/trivialized mine. Instead, I'll just give you a like and move on. :cool:

    EDIT: I do despise that one word you chose to use (you know which one). I've never in my life used it, and people that do (for ANY reason) are disgusting. For the record.
     
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  11. Darren Ingram

    Darren Ingram Moderator Moderator

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    Well that’s no fun.

    And see, you yourself may have never used it. But, plenty have and do, among other racist behaviors. And the current form of the GOP I truly believe is okay with racism. The head of the party is a racist. There was no large outcry of Republican lawmakers criticizing the President’s behavior in any meaningful way. There was no loud and clear action of people from his own party telling him this behavior was wrong. Sure, a few made comments, said he should take it down, said that his behavior wasn’t acceptable, blah blah, but there was no widespread message of “Racism is not acceptable, and the President should act in this way” from the GOP as a whole, which I find despicable.
     
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  12. starscream24

    starscream24 Captain of Unpopular Opinions.

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    A little louder for the people in the back.
     
  13. RacerXero84

    RacerXero84 Obnoxious old fart

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    The fact that you dissected what I said in the manner you did, is why I am walking away and will just vote the way I feel I should. Same thing happened in 2016 FYI.

    I can have a spirited conversation with JeffJordan, and have in the past, without us doing that, and usually we walk away from it both a little better off.

    Enjoy the echo chamber.
     
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  14. JeffJordan

    JeffJordan My name is no longer Jeff Jordan

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    Three of the four women targeted were born in the United States, the fourth has been here since 1992. I've been here since 1996, as has Melania Trump. I don't think he has said anything like this to Melania and I don't think he would have ever said it to me either.

    I don't think they hate America - I think they're looking to improve it as best they can, because America is getting worse for a significant chunk of the population right now. If Republicans get what they want with healthcare, it's certainly going to be a lot worse for me.

    My biggest issue with Ilhan Omar was that she used an anti-Semitic trope once, in 2012. I'm Jewish-American and I take these things pretty seriously. She apologized for her wording, not her original point, which was criticizing Israel. Criticizing Israel is something I'm fine with - just because I'm Jewish doesn't mean I'm Israeli, but I don't think Donald Trump believes that. And I take issue with that. I'm an American first.

    I'm gonna take a stab at why most American Jews don't support Trump. He ardently supports Israel and accuses others of antisemitism (like Omar), but hired Steve Bannon as his chief strategist. Steve Bannon has described himself as part of the alt-right and the alt-right is incompatible with American Judaism. American Jews also typically support people who advocate for secular governments because secular governments usually (Nazi Germany being an obvious exception) let Jews do their own thing without a problem. Jews came to the United States because the government (should be) secular by design as written in the first amendment. America is largely a good place for us.

    Sorry I'm going off on a tangent here, but Trump really likes to defend Israel while insulting the American Jew. 7 of 10 American Jews vote Democrat and that number isn't likely to decrease. This is mostly because a large fraction of the GOP tries to mix Christianity with government, which is a deal-breaker since we aren't Christian. Jews have experienced intolerance, hatred and distrust throughout history and we don't like to see other groups experiencing those terrible things. Jews aren't on a team with other Jews just rooting for Jews to do well. We root against this intolerance, hatred and distrust that Trump fosters.

    Minus the Republican Jewish Coalition, the Jewish response to Trump's comments yesterday have been negative for good reason. He said something shitty, he deserves all the blame for it.
     
  15. Darren Ingram

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    Also throwing this out here, Steve Scalise says that while Republicans disagreed with Obama, that they never disrespected the office of the presidency like Democrats have with Trump.....

    ....47 Republican Senators wrote a letter to Iran that said President Obama didn’t speak for or represent America. That seems pretty disrespectful to the office of the presidency to me.
     
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    My reaction to the thread title:
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    Right though? I'd love to say something completely stupid and have half the country jump to my defense for it.
    Hit the nail on the head right there. A few years ago I was at my grandparents' for Thanksgiving and had to listen to my great-uncle Tom go on and on about how he was a Muslim and that he changed his name and so on and so forth, it was ridiculous. Everything that I've seen said towards Trump has been justified
    Call it misplaced faith or what have you but I don't believe that anyone in the U.S. government TRULY hates America, even Trump himself. They just want what they feel is best for the country, however wildly differing, misguided, and disillusioned their beliefs for what makes America "good" may be. I genuinely believe no one in the government wants to see America fail.
    Well when a rather large chunk of your very vocal fanbase is..... actual Nazis, KKK members, and white supremacists, and you don't, you know, condemn it, that'll happen.
    Nonono, I am BEYOND tired of this lazy and cliched argument. Even my one grandma, the most liberal person I know, thinks this is stupid. I will probably never own a gun unless something happens and getting one makes me feel safer, but I see no problem with people owning as long as they do it legally and responsibly. We DEFINITELY need stronger regulations and restrictions, but it would be idiotic to completely ban guns.

    Now, in regards to my reaction, I think it's ridiculous that I'm not surprised. I think that myself and everyone here should be in total shock that our president would say something like this of/to his colleagues, even if it were untrue. But no, we're used to it because of who was elected, and that (among SEVERAL other things) tells me that maybe, just MAYBE (I'm kidding, it's obvious lol) he shouldn't be in office.
     
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  17. RacerXero84

    RacerXero84 Obnoxious old fart

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    This will continue to be my response in case anyone missed the points in bold.
     
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    MrDude68 Occasional Backwards Driver

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    We already know (or should know by now) that most of the mainstream media spins off every single thing Trump says or does as racism/homophobia/misogyny/whatever. So this comment was going to cause an uproar anyway. Should he have said it? No, because the words do have some underlying prejudice to them, and we should expect more of the President of the United States. But then again, Trump's already been called every name in the book and will continue to be until the end of time no matter what he says or does, so I'm pretty sure he doesn't really care all that much at this point.

    No, it's your opinion that the President is racist, and by extension, that everyone who supports him is okay with racism. Problem is, this is all unsubstantiated fluff that the media is spewing at anyone who will listen. What if Trump wasn't actually racist? People such as yourself won't even accept that as a possibility. Everything you wanted to believe was regurgitated by your news sources so much that you have no doubts. That is one of the problems.
    But do you find it despicable that the exact same thing is true of your own party, whether it's on the presidential level or otherwise? Democrats say stupid things all the time and it would go completely ignored if it wasn't for Republicans calling them out on it.
    You mean as Obama was essentially bending down and kissing their feet and saying how sorry he was for how bad America is to them? While they sit over there chanting "death to America" at the same time? Yeah, I don't think that represented America very well. Obama was a coward.
    "Rather large and vocal"? I think you vastly underestimate the number of silent supporters this president still has. And what about the bad people who liked President Obama? I never heard him condemn them either. I don't really think you have a point here.
     
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    Andy22 Still waiting for JJ to win

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    The same guy that thinks Obama is a coward also defends Trump, why am I not surprised
     
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    That’s fair, and I will admit that it was poor wording. I fixed it but it still may not be 100% what I was trying to get across. My point is, if I were in his position and I had supporters like that and knew about it (not saying he does but I would be surprised if he didn’t) I would say “Hey, if you are in xyz group and you support me, please go away, I want nothing to do with you whatsoever”. Him not saying anything says to me that he is ok with it. I could be wrong, I’ll admit, but again if I were in his position I would condemn it publicly.

    As for Obama, same thing. Now I will be totally transparent in that I didn’t have an active social media presence until I was a senior in high school in 2016, so I saw little to nothing of that, but like I said, if I were in that position I would publicly say something.
     

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