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Will NASCAR races always have the invocation?

Discussion in 'Politics/Religion' started by canadienhits, May 24, 2018.

  1. JeffJordan

    JeffJordan Yes, my name is actually Jeff Jordan

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    I agree with the points that the anthem and flag have no objective meanings but countless subjective ones. I think that vindicates Kaepernick because he was repeatedly indicated that he has nothing but respect for veterans. It seems like most people attacking his kneeling are just trying to subvert the issues he's trying to bring up because they disagree with them.

    Furthermore, on the thread topic - I do think a pre-race prayer is a bit weird but it doesn't really impact the race and it doesn't impact me. I'm a Jew who doesn't believe in God anybody and I couldn't give a crap whether or not they do the invocation. I think that...

    A. The only reason to get rid of it would be to save NASCAR whatever money they pay the person.
    B. If NASCAR stops doing the invocation without announcement nobody will notice.
    C. If NASCAR stops doing the invocation with announcement a certain group of people will have a problem with it.

    Ultimately I just don't care if the prayer is there or not. I do understand the sentiments that the prayer may cause a feeling of exclusion. I live in America. I've heard that "God will save you" and "I'll pray for you" for things that are no moral transgression. It's annoying. I've lost count of how many times I've been told I'm ignorant because of what I believe religiously.

    That being said I don't care what religion you practice, just be respectful of others' beliefs. I think telling people they are "dumb" for feeling a certain way is not respectful, regardless of what the laws allow you to say. The First Amendment gives you the right to do that but it doesn't mean you have to.
     
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  2. MrDude68

    MrDude68 Occasional Backwards Driver

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    Maybe to you, but don't forget that people's sons and daughters bled and died defending your rights under that dyed piece of cloth. Including your right to say that.
     
  3. canadienhits

    canadienhits The Dominator, Cup champ.

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    I can attest to that. My father started having heart problems (major heart attacks) in the Navy. My grandfather was mustard gassed. One of my uncles had a crippling stroke. Another barely got out alive of a major fire on a carrier. And I tore my knee up in the Navy. So yea, it's a big thing.
     
  4. BrendonH12

    BrendonH12 Lover of Jesus! #CarolinaStrong #Pray4theSouth

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    But that's a big problem with the majority of today's generation. It's all about "me, myself, and I." There's very little respect for anything and anyone anymore.
     
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  5. mtblillie

    mtblillie Well-Known Member

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    ^^^ that isn't exactly a new thing, every generation has its flaws, and not everyone in the generation acts the same way or believes the same things.
     
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  6. BrendonH12

    BrendonH12 Lover of Jesus! #CarolinaStrong #Pray4theSouth

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    I know it's not new, but it's definitely more prevalent in today's generation.
     
  7. mtblillie

    mtblillie Well-Known Member

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    ^^^ I think the hippies of the 60s would beg to differ. And the draft dodgers, and the disco studs, and the metal heads, and the OGs, etc etc etc. It's not about any one generation, it's about human nature and maturity. How long will it be before "today's generation" is complaining about what the next generation is doing.
     
  8. jacobc62

    jacobc62 The OG NASCAR Tiger.

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    If you want to get technical, we already have to an extent....
     
  9. canadienhits

    canadienhits The Dominator, Cup champ.

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    Waaaayyyy off the topic, I think society is different today than it was in the 40's/50's/60's/70's. Just the way it is. The family unit has broken down. People work more for less. The kids I see in elementary school argue with you as much as they listen. Back when I was growing up, you NEVER talked back at an adult. Times changes, society changes, whether it's good or bad is subjective.
     
  10. USSTalladega

    USSTalladega I see you mate.

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    Both should stay. Televised or not I don't care but either way doing both doesn't hurt anybody.

    And the ignorant post of the day goes too...
     
  11. mtblillie

    mtblillie Well-Known Member

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    Eh, I don't agree with him, but he is still entitled to his opinion. If the flag does't have meaning you personally, then it is just a piece of cloth. It's sad that he feels that way, but that is ultimately up to him.
     
  12. MattyO

    MattyO Well-Known Member Admin

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    Posts like this isn't going to fly in this particular forum. If you have an opinion on the subject, elaborate on it a little.
    If you want to post something ignorant, at least have some substance with it.
    There is over 1.1 million people who fought and died in wars for what you called a dyed piece of cloth. The flag has a different meaning to those that fought and died in wars. I imagine their families might beg to differ that it has little to no meaning as well. There is also veterans who are members here, and fought for your right to say that. You will show them a little respect at this website.
     
  13. canadienhits

    canadienhits The Dominator, Cup champ.

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    Kinda in the same vein as that post, I had crossed a post on FB that I needed to reply like this:

    Disturbed by a post I saw, saying that freedom is because of the constitution and not the military. Well, if not for the military, you could have been speaking German and in a fascist state. Or maybe Russian and in a socialist state. Yea, you'd have freedom there. Voicing those opinions would get you picked up by the secret police and getting sent away. I tell you what, you don't think the military has defended your freedom, go to Arlington and count the crosses. Or go to your local cemetery and see the graves decorated by the WFV. They died so you could have a difference of opinion. Go to a VA hospital. They were wounded defending your freedom. Being in a third generation military family, my answer to anyone who tells me that we shouldn't thank the military for our freedom deserves the middle finger. Make that two.
     

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